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"My personal opinion is that if ain't paved, keep your goddamn bicycles off of it." Ken Fortenberry, kenfortenberry@ameritech.net.

"Wildlife needs to have a life cycle, which includes death" Jeffrey W. Ryan, mountain biker, jeffryan@ispchannel.com.

"The Bible (KJV) clearly states that this earth is meant for us humans to use... or as it says to 'subdue' it and have 'dominion' over it and the animals here. I believe that to be true. Humans have precidence over animals. The animals exist, as do the other components of the earth, for us." John Morgan, johnm-ii@home.com, mountain biker

"Mountainbiking is restricted often for the right reasons: Hikers need a place to find tranquility." Paul Nam, vocinam@yahoo.com, mountain biker

"What Mike has expressed at length, Colin Fletcher summed up pithily in his well-known Law of Inverse Appreciation. Basically, it holds that the more sophisticated your means of travel, the more removed you become from the landscape through which you pass. Mentally removed, that is. One might express a corollary that would hold that the more mechanized your form of transportation, the more damage you do to the environment, and the less you realize it." Bill

"There really isn't any erosion," [Mark] Farriester [of Modesto] said. "Bicycles can't cause erosion." Jim Haggen-Smit, California representative for the International Mountain Bicycling Association, agreed. He said off-road trails and environmental protection can co-exist. Haggen-Smit said he wants all parties to come together and help determine how to correctly build dirt trails. He stressed the most important detail is to keep trails well maintained. The real culprits of erosion, Haggen-Smit said, are water and bad maintenance.

"I object to Pete Siemens' characterization of bicycles as vehicles. According to the State Vehicle Code, bicycles are not vehicles, but are devices with all the rights and responsibilities of vehicles. I would be happy to find the specific Code and submit them to the Board. Therefore, I respectfully request that Pete Seimens retract his statements that bicycles are off-road vehicles - they are not." Danielle Weber, DVM

"We must learn to interact effectively with nature. By simply banning mountain biking, we are avoiding a continual relationship with the natural environment. Mountain biking cannot be banned; if so, future generations will no longer be able to experience the magnificent opportunities awaiting them." Daniel Keefer [They can't WALK?!]

"If a tree or two has to be sacrificed to build a good and sustainable trail, then so be it". Woody Keen, ascentdesc@citcom.net, mountain biker

"By the way, theres a biological need for dead plants." Dennis Ouellette, mountain biker, User720077@aol.com

"Remember, access is the is the whole point of our efforts" Jon Sundquist, East Aurora, NY, mountain biker

"Seems to me that our best biking is in logging areas? I'd rather have logging than wilderness that I am not allowed in." Nick Valison, nickv_usa@yahoo.com

"I don't understand why our desires always need to be paramount. Can't we give wildlife a break in some areas? I love wilderness, and even though I'm an avid mountain biker, I don't want to see machines of any kind in the wilderness. There should be some areas, some large and continuous areas where we are NOT the masters of everything, having our recreational way with every trail. We enter wilderness on wild terms. This land belongs to all of us, but it really belongs to wildlife, and we are their guests. I am in complete support of wilderness on Basalt Mountain, coming all the way down to the DOW land, as close as possible to town. The Basalt side of this mountain is roadless, rocky, steep and wonderfully wild, and I for one will campaign to keep it that way. If you think we should greatly expand our inventory of mountain bike trails, I suggest getting seriously involved with Roaring Fork Outdoor Volunteers, and volunteering to maintain some of the trails we already have. It helps you appreciate riding these trails more often, rather than creating new ones that we don't have the resources to maintain." Michael Thompson Basalt

"It would be hypocritical not to acknowledge that we as mountain bikers have our own issues with poaching, illegally built trails and just plain rude behavior." Bob Allen, mountain biker

"Any form of mountain biking is not a crime." Josh Moore, mtbikes@gmail.com, mountain biker

"Dad, this just isn't any fun." kid forced to hike on a trail where mountain bikes are allowed (and having to frequently jump out of their way)

"I caught up with a group of hikers, and I was really sorry when their llama was the first to hear me and bolted in its master, who was thrust forward about three steps. It is amazing how easy it was to startle a draft animal." Josh Moore, josh_moore@comcast.net

"Some riders are out there using their bikes to enjoy the open space, but others are just using the open space to enjoy their bikes. This latter group tends to be the least informed about the land, who owns it, who takes care of it, what lives there, and what damage can be caused by their presence. Educating this group can be difficult, because they have little interest in the land to begin with." Charles Jalgunas, imahorse@stanford.edu

"With running I could never go the distances I can on a bike." Melanie Meyers

"Virtually all of Greater Boston's local bike shops depend upon Mountain Biking to stay afloat." http://www.sharethefells.org/busines.htm

"Bikers tend to blow by anything, however interesting, when they are enjoying a downhill run." Dan Harrison (dharrisn@hfcc.net), IMBA rep for Michigan

"I also wonder if you realize that there is more to life than looking at things. You reiterate numerous times on your website that bikers are going to fast to see nature. I don't see why this is so bad. The reason I mountain bike is not to look at nature, it is to have fun. Having fun is pretty cool, you should try it sometime. also, you say all bikers would have access to all trails if only they would choose to walk. You are missing the point. We find walking too boring." Caley Fretz, yelac22@adelphia.net

"The majority of mountain bicyclists are not following a regulation or standard trail etiquette guidelines", http://www.imba.com/resources/science/trail_etiquette.html

"Hello, Nice web site. You've taken up a cause. You're fighting for your beliefs. You are saving others from a certain horrible doom. What is this thing that will destroy our environment, livelihood, and possibly take our lives? Is is HIV, cancer, or possibly mass starvation? No. Do we fear blackouts, old age, or government corruption? No. What Evil lurks beneath the waters, waiting to destroy all we hold dear? TRAIL RUTS!!!(Scary music playing in the background) OH NO! Trail ruts! Erosion! SILT! How can we ever survive? What to do? What to do! Can't you people worry about something important? Get a life." Mike Estvanic, estvanic@bright.net

"Soil compaction? Mike, if mountain bikes are compacting the soil, then your recurring claims of erosion must be unfounded. As a civil engineer with a concentration in soils engineering, I can tell you that soil compaction and soil erosion are quite different and that if mountain bikes are compacting the soil, they are not eroding it." Shaun Reid, trailrider@MINDSPRING.COM

"Much as I'd like to disagree with Richard, his points are valid. I got to thinking about where I like to hike and it's not on trails open to mountain biking. Mountain bikes are invasive; they're fast, silent and the minority that rides like idiots is out there often enough to wreck it for the hikers. Even if they don't see one each time out, having had a bad experience can make them apprehensive and fearful. Hikers do need some trails that are not used by mountain bikes." Mark Flint markflint@earthlink.net, mountain biker

"I don't agree with the logic of the Horse people on this issue. First of all the reason rogue percentages are higher among mountain bikers compared to other user groups is obvious: We're the ones that are excluded from the most trails." Shane Reed, Shane Reed, shaner@brocade.com, mountain biker

"It my perspective that hiking only trails retain the narrow back-coutry character as opposed to the multi-use highways. This is what I want when I am backpacking. Trails with this character should not have to be sacrificed for the sake of multi-use. As a trail maintainer, it is my first hand experience that narrow single track gets widened by multi-use." Norm nalbrecht@att.net, mountain biker

"Unless activities involve mountain bikes and/or parks open to bikes, we do not get involved. We use the trails and parks to enjoy our mountain bikes. We do not use our bikes to enjoy the trails and parks. This is the source of 99% of our problems as a user group." Patty Ciesla, mountain biker

"Even if the trails close they will be still ridden there isn't enough monies in the budget of any state to hire enough enforcement. So have your dreams but realize they are only that. Hopefully some night while your dreaming your little dream you'll see me flying across the sky on my bike kindly giving you a one finger salute!" huckster@hotmail.com

"MTB's allow many times more people to visit public lands then would without MTB's." Tom Kunich, cyclintom@yahoo.com, mountain biker

"Flowing 18" wide singletrack is fun. Straight, wide trails and most fireroads are boring, especially when ridden under the posted speed limit." Ben, onespd@cs.com, mountain biker

If anything, mountain biking is positive for the environment. When a person decides to go out and mountain bike in nature, they are experienceing the beauty of nature in all it's aspects. Mountain bikers gain a respect for nature. While they are riding they gain an appreciation for nature. This appreciation is not present in a person who does not interact with nature in the way a mountain biker does. People who interact with nature are often prone to being proactive to save it. Such clothing manufacturers as Patagonia, who provide clothing for mountain bikers as well as other outdoor sports, are extremely proactive in preserving an protecting the environment. If more people became mountain bikers, then more people would truely understand nature and be more willing to be proactive in preserving it." proneax@rochester.rr.com

"Personally, I won't ever support a wilderness area until the day mountain bikes are allowed to use them". Anthony L. Cree, acree@prodigy.net, mountain biker

"I am an archaeologist for the US Forest Service, and an avid mt. biker. ... In my professional capacity, I am constantly monitoring the effects human behavior has on archaeological resources. What recreational activities damage them, and how can that damage be mitigated? As an advocate of our sport in the Recreation section of our forest, I must at times painfully admit that irresponsible mt. biking can damage fragile resources." Mark Martin, mmartin@infi.net

"I don't like ... slowing down for hikers oblivious to their surroundings" ANTHONY CREE

"For every one of us that do promote this sport responsibly there are probably 1000 idiots out there". John Silva, woodjazz@prodigy.net, mountain biker

"Some people think I'm crazy to occasionally drive 180 miles to ride a mountain bike in Miami Beach when we have so many great trails nearby but it's worth it." Bob Michaels

"Yup Mikey, I do advocate riding where you feel you want. It is a right of everyone to ride on this earth, and it is not for the Mike Vaderman's or the Senator Boxers to tell me what to do, when to do it, or how to do it." allstar@ddminc.net

"Mountain-bike racing is like hurtling a rally car down a cliff"

“There are two types of Mountain Biker, those who have fallen… and those who are going to.” mountain biker

"It is a very significant flaw of the Wilderness act that it shuts out mountain bikers and others" [HOW? Can't they WALK?!] John Gardiner john@johngardiner.com, mountain biker

"Yeah, it was full contact, face to rock, says Vanessa Murphy, sporting a shiner that elicits respect from other mountain bikers. Cool. Nice, echoes Araxi waiter Andrew, displaying his own scabby road rash."

"Personally, I don't care if bears are disrupted. Why should I? Same goes for deer, squirrels, mice and, of course, hikers. See, I have just as much right, as an inhabitant of this planet and so long as that use is within the parameters of the law, to use its resources as I see fit. Bears, squirrels, mice and hikers be damned. This is one of the advantages of being at the top of the food chain -- everything else either has to adapt to us being there or die. If they opt for death, well, that's natural selection, isn't it." Ken B ken_98765_b@comcast.net, mountain biker

"On the descent, scenery becomes an unnoticed blur." J Cass, casscade30@yahoo.com

"I also loved my Henery [sic] Coe ride because it too had not only challenging terrain with steep decents, but no people (I saw five outside of the three of us ridding [sic]) so I could push it as far as I wanted and still not worry about other trail folk." Sean Thorniley, managreen@jps.net

"By the way, I find it hard to dispute the notion that there are sensitive areas that should see no bikes, dogs or horses. Some that should see no humans, especially since we tend to show up in huge Vibram-soled swarms." Tom Hays, thays@charter.net, mountain biker

"Subject: Re: bikers (bicyclists, not guys on Harleys) image problem: Who cares what non-mountain bikers think of what we wear? They are never in the woods to see us anyway." Brian Crowley, brian@crowleynet.com

"No structures, games, or practices tending to injure the landsacpe, or incommode the public in its enjoyment of the landscape, ought to be permitted. To allow any such things or practices to grow up in a country park is to defeat its primary and only justifying purpose. Of all the people who resort to the landscape of a park, much the largest number enter on foot. This, indeed is as it should be; since it is really impossible to thoroughly enjoy scenery except when moving slowly, as in walking. ... If, as seems obvious, both carriage roads and bridle-paths are objectionable in parks, it is plain that special bicycle paths would be still more so. The bicycle is a silent steed, and one which moves with much more dangerous rapidity than either the driving or the saddle horse...In other words, a park is a preserve of scenery; and as such it is no place for the driver's speedway, the rider's race-course, or the bicycler's scorching-track." Charles Eliot, 1896

"We're no different than any other group when it comes to having our share of closed minds" [to say the least!] Mark Flint

"The more singletrack the better, I'm not too hot on climbing on fireroads." Nicolas Pottier nicpottier@yahoo.com, mountain biker

"Hello ... my name is Tews and I'm a singletrack addict." mtnwuff@yahoo.com

"We that pay to sustain a Forest have the right to use it in anyway we see appropriate." Heiss, rlangegger@hotmail.com

"Sometimes you just gotta say, 'Screw the rules!'" pasensio@worldnet.att.net, mountain biker

"Sometimes 'don't ask/don't tell' is appropriate with respect to trail access. If you ask, they may put up signs forbidding bikes ;)" J Savic bewaremyethnicheart@yahoo.com, mountain biker

"We build trails when, where, and how we want." Terry Haggard kosmo5150@yahoo.com

"Yeah, try to catch me." MTBguy, http://www.mtbguy.ca/rigaud.htm

"Until young people of my mindset, that would be a fair mindset by the way, come into power on the local and federal level, I will continue to ride 'illegally'." Rob Frank, mountain biker

"If there's anybody that reaches the depths of trails and such, it's mountain bikers. Trekking by foot is so bloody boring." vp@gta.igs.net, mountain biker

"Many of us road riders still can't figure out why anyone would intentionally ride off the road." Robert Raburn, robertraburn@csi.com

"I figure my bike probably cost me about $3000." Preston Peterson, preston.peterson@cingular.com

"It's only a cheap sport if you want to do it infrequently and calmly." Nathan Quaas, nrod2k@hotmail.com

"For me riding technical singletrack is a snooze. Having started out as a road rider (simply because MTB's hadn't been invented yet) I'm used to speed. ... I want to cover distance. I love covering large chunks of land that I could never cover by trail running and hiking. For me, that's the joy of mountain biking." Chris Lowe, cyclocross@yahoo.com

"WHENEVER WE GO INTO WILDLANDS, WE MUST TUNE TO THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND US. BICYCLISTS ONLY REMAIN FOCUS ON THE "ROAD" AHEAD AND ARE UNAWARE THAT THERE IS SO MUCH MORE IN THE SURROUNDINGS." [name suppressed to protect them from mountain biker hostility]

"People aren't going to take us seriously if we insist on defending stupid, aggressive, obnoxious behavior. In itself, riding a bike is no sign of superior moral character - all it takes to become a cyclist is a Target or Costco store and $200. There are some real jerks out riding around, and it's a shame they get into the papers, but they do." David Coolidge, dacoolidge@hotmail.com

"Mountain Biking is an inherently dangerous sport." "JD" dij@usafcct.com, mountain biker

"I've been a mountain biker since 1982, and I enjoy riding on dirt very much. But I don't want to see bikes in wilderness. When I'm out walking in wilderness, I don't like hurrying to get out of the way of fast-moving bikes, I don't like all the flashy colors, or the dust they create. And more to the point, just seeing the tire tracks from bikes already passed makes the area feel small and shatters the "disconnect" from the modern technological world that only wilderness can provide." Tomas Suk

"Just last weekend I hiked a 10 mile loop trail in the Bowman Lakes Basin, just north of I-80. Most of the trail was either swampy, snowy root-y or major- ly rocky (plus a little bit of fine flat-ish forest path that did not need churning). I met a group of 4 bikers - and remarked that they could not have seen any of the glorious and varied scenery - surely their eyes were on the ground the entire time!!! What *is* the point??? And, with 100s of miles of logging roads to ride - what *is* the point? Keep up the good work. Your message is important."

"You can't listen to nature while pounding out the miles in heart stopping frenzy." Fole Haafstra

"A friend in Oroville, CA, has been forwarding your letters to me for a little over a year now. I've read through most of your web site. I'm impressed with the arguments you present and heartily agree with you. I've been a mountain biker. Already an active hiker and exercise nut, I bought the bike several years ago to ride the 2.5 miles distance to the Post Office where I worked. It made more sense than driving my truck. Actually taking it mountain biking was a secondary consideration, and an admittance of a desire for thrills. I've been on perhaps only a dozen single-track trails and invariably felt guilty both for the destruction already caused by other mountain bikers and that which I must also be causing. So, I limited myself to service and ORV roads in national parks and recreation areas in California, Utah, and Colorado. A sense of disservice to local habitat followed me there. Now my feet only touch any trails and the mountain bike sticks to pavement. I went to Walker Creek Schools website. Yes, it is hypocrisy for such an institution to sponsor a mountain bike race. This sport is in direct opposition with the school's mission & the students gain valuable knowledge and appreciation to help them to be more responsible stewards of the Earth's resources. (Quoted from the Overview at http://mcoeweb.marin.k12.ca.us/wcreek/edcurr.html) Unless the school's goal is to teach the students that seemingly innocent adventure sports can be irrevocably destructive, I see no advantage in providing for such a race. Taking a mountain bike on any dirt trail is absolutely not being a steward of the Earth's resources. I have already used your argument that mountain bikers are not excluded from hiking trails as they are free to leave their bikes at home and hike the trail. I appreciate your astute assessments of these situations as they arise. Please add me to your email list."

"Thank you ever so much for your most in depth analysis of this subject [mountain biking impacts]. I am a trail builder and maintainer in both Calif. and Idaho. I am an avid hiker and mt. biker and freely admit the oh-so-obvious impact of mt. biking over hiking. I will share this with some Calif. state park employees as well as Idaho dept. of BLM. God bless for your courage to separate the bull from its horns." [name withheld to protect him from harassment by other mountain bikers]

"If you don't crash, you aren't riding hard enough." Jessica, jessicauwt@yahoo.com

Keith Bontrager, 52, a world-class mountain bike racer who lives in Santa Cruz, said "Crashing is part of cycling. If you ride a lot, you're going to crash".

"Salinas Rural Fire Department currently reponds to 10-20 EMS accidents per year at Fort Ord.  Most of these EMS calls are mountain bikers that have crashed throughout the year.  It is imperative to have a good transportation system in place to facilitate the EMS calls.  If you have questions about what the BLM will be doing, feel free to contact me.  Thanks for reading this." Eric Morgan BLM's Fort Ord Manager (831)394-8314 emorgan@ca.blm.gov

"I am a mountain biker and I also tell the truth. Too many fellow mountain bikers have some serious ego problems to work through so please be patient. Many of us do not know how to solve problems without throwing fits like two year old spoiled brats. Truth: many have not left that stage and I blame their moms." Gary Fisher, Albuquerque, NM

"I don't hike (bores me to death)." mountain biker

"My skills will really improve! (once Im out of the Hospital)!" Dan Fenton, danfenton@yahoo.com, mountain biker

"Smooth, fast, steep and gravelly multi-use trails are dangerous because bikers have nothing to slow them down [like brains, for example?]." Aaron DelloIacono Thies, adt@sfmtb.com, mountain biker

"Mountain biking is an inherently dangerous sport." Justin Beddall

"Similar to many Whistlerites, Lisa Dickson is addicted to the sport of mountain biking." Whistler "Question", 5/13/05

"I find this truly disgusting. I have just come back from Colorado Springs where I walk in a wild park behind my parents house. Colorado foolishly allowed mountain biking and is paying a huge price for it. The Park I walked a year ago has three times the amount of illegal single track trails than it had last year, and the erosion is devastating. Also the tire tracks have cut into the ancient sandstone formations, a damage that can never be repaired. These formations are 60 million years old, and are now scarred and worn in one year. There are bikers everywhere, whooping and hollering and leaping off cliffs. Awful." hiker/equestrian

"Hey, to correct this ridiculous info, no offense, erosion is NOT harmful to the environment. That is fact! It has to go somewhere! It is still there! What do you know!" Joel Benford diablero@sbcglobal.net

"Got an email from a horsewoman in Orange County who lives near Whiting Wilderness Park. She was severely injured as a result of an encounter with a mountain biker which got her thrown from her horse. She and others have campaigned against mountain bikes and their 'competition training' in the park. She said that now people are referring to the bikers as 'Meals on Wheels'." [name suppressed to protect them from mountain biker hostility]

"This species [mountain bikers] has one thing in common with horses-- blinders." Susan Sievert

If this means certain trails need to be closed then so be it because the environment comes first. The party at the expense of the forests is definitely over! John Sharpe, mountain biker, North Vancouver, B.C

"Violence does not live alone and is not capable of living alone: I is necessarily interwoven with falsehood. Between them lies the most intimate, the deepest of natural bonds. Violence finds its only refuge in falsehood. ... Any man who has once acclaimed violence as his method must inexorably choose falsehood as his principle." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

"There seems to be a fairly general acceptance of poaching within the bike community." mountain biker (http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=489086)

"'He just couldn't fathom why grown adults would want to ride bicycles in the woods' That's easy - because they like to crash and hurt themselves." Terri Alvillar

"One aspect of wilderness is solitude. I've been places in the Sierras as an example, where the only way to get there is by foot, and several days travel. The further you go, the more solitude there is. One's experience in the outdoors changes a lot once you are beyond the range of the day hikers. Because of bikes greater day range, letting us ride some places would erode the solitude that is part of the experience and quality of being in those places." Dave Wade, mountain biker, mtnbiker94@sbcglobal.net

”I don't have the time to wait another 20 years. If the single track gets opened while I'm on my deathbed that doesn't really help me very much. Like the other person above said, I'll just ride and if I get caught politely take the ticket and pay the fine. Call it an extra access fee.” mountain biker

”What you seem to be not comprehending is that those irrational trail closures don't worry many folks because they have been riding those trails for years and will continue to ride those same trails for years to come. “ Pete Fagerlin, mountain biker and habitual poacher

”It depends where you are. In the wonderful world of the EBRPD, you can poach to your heart's content, especially at night, with a strong likelihood of not getting caught. Of course, the downside is that there is not that much good stuff to begin with... In the meantime, Sheriffs are patrolling Mt Tam at night, and some ranger is doing overtime to make sure you don't get lost in Skeggs after dark while giving you a $300 ticket. As you said earlier, access micro climates. I'm all for poaching, but my riding time is limited to week-ends lately, and poaching on a nice Sunday morning is not that feasible.“ mountain biker

"Unfortunately bikers do get lumped into a bad reputation......much of it unjustified, but also some of it justified. Locally, the largest impact being discussed by land managers is the amount of unauthorized trails and trail use by the user groups.....and also unfortunately, mountain bikers do make up the largest population of this group (verified by credible studies, and ongoing monitoring)." land manager/mountain biker

"The guy only seems to have one valid point and keeps bringing it up over and over. Mt. Bikes travel a farther distance then hikers on average so Mt. bike cause more overall damage. Which is valid if, as he states, all of the studies were done on a per mile basis." Dave.mountainbiker

"Everything Vandeman says makes perfect sense to me and everything [mountain bikers] say makes perfect nonsense to me. But maybe that is because you are a sinful mountain biker and I am a saintly hiker. Yes, that must be the explanation! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota"

"People who must ride on sumthin' to get into the back country are essentially lazy." Larry Kralj

"Common sense does say that we are involved in an extreme high risk sport, and there is a high risk of injury, which we do have to deal with." mountain biker

"Subject: Re: Chain Lube We'll all soon be decorated in mud splatters (both dried and wet).  Doesn't really matter what you use as long as your chain isn't rusting.  Hose the bike off, reapply as needed and go riding.  :)" KevinA, mtnwuff@yahoo.com

"Bikes Belong is sponsored by the U.S. bicycle industry with the goal of putting more people on bicycles more often. We have nearly 400 members—bicycle suppliers and retailers combining resources to improve bicycling in America. Based in Boulder, Colorado, we have 12 professional staff, 18 volunteer directors, and a $2 million annual operating budget. Bikes Belong takes the guesswork out of advocacy. We’re a professional, unified effort that is powered by the $6 billion-a-year U.S. bicycle industry. When you join, you add your weight to the collective strength of hundreds of other bike businesses."

"Sea Otter just utterly ripped that trail to mincemeat." csiegel@monterey.k12.ca.us

"BTW designate [Wilderness] all you want, I won't compromise anymore. I will ride my Mtn Bike where I please." Fenkse, mountain biker

"I want to ride my bicycle
I want to ride my bike
I want to ride my bi- -cy--cle
I want to ride it where I like!"
Patty "caught red-handed re- opening a closed trail" Ciesla imahorse@stanford.edu, mountain biker

Re: How can we be more effective at recruiting volunteers for work parties? "Seems like riders don't understand how important it is to kiss land manager booty." daveschuldt@yahoo.com

"This isn't about cyclists vs hikers vs horsers, this is about a broken political system.  I believe it is our duty as a protest to the idiocy of our state government to continue to respectfully access [i.e., poach] the common land." Aaron Hunter, aa_hunter@yahoo.com

"The [mountain biking] culture here is incompatible with anything we once thought of as civilized. In so many ways." hiker

"Seriously, one thing that Vandeman is right about: a lot of you guys are total idiots." critposer@yahoo.com, mountain biker

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